Section MW: Descendants of Count Manasses de Dammartin

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Generation One

1. COUNT MANASSES1 DE DAMMARTIN was born between 927 and 1023, and died in 1037[4]. [4]
Child:
+2i.COUNT HUGUES I2 DE DAMMARTIN, d. about 1100; m. ROARDE _____.

Generation Two

2. COUNT HUGUES I2 DE DAMMARTIN (Manasses1), son of (1) Count Manasses1, was born between 980 and 1038, and died between 1090 and 1110[4]. He married ROARDE _____. [4]
Child:
+3i.COUNT HUGUES II3 DE DAMMARTIN, b. before 1111; m. ROTHRIDE _____.

Generation Three

3. COUNT HUGUES II3 DE DAMMARTIN (Hugues I2, Manasses1), son of (2) Count Hugues I2 and Roarde (_____), was born before 1111[4], and died between 1111 and 1206. He married ROTHRIDE _____. [4]
Child:
+4i.COUNT ALBERIC I4 DE DAMMARTIN, b. about 1100; d. in 1183; m. before 1150 (AJS-5) CLEMENCE OF BAR-LE-DUC, b. between 1110 and 1130[1], d. after 1183[1], daughter of (AJS-4) Renaud I and (ZL-3) Gisele (de VAUDEMONT) OF BAR-LE-DUC.

Generation Four

4. COUNT ALBERIC I4 DE DAMMARTIN (Hugues II3, Hugues I2, Manasses1), son of (3) Count Hugues II3 and Rothride (_____), was born about 1100, and died in 1183[4]. He married before 1150, (AJS-5) CLEMENCE OF BAR-LE-DUC, daughter of (AJS-4) Renaud I and (ZL-3) Gisele (de VAUDEMONT) OF BAR-LE-DUC, who was born between 1110 and 1130[1], and died after 1183[1]. [4]
Child:
+5i.COUNT ALBERIC II5 OF DAMMARTIN, b. about 1148; d. on 19 Sept. 1200 in London, England, United Kingdom; m. before 1180 (KQ-5) MATILDA OF CLERMONT, b. between 1140 and 1160[1], d. after 1200[1], daughter of (KQ-4) Renaud II and (AJS-5) Clemence (of BAR-LE-DUC) OF CLERMONT.

Generation Five

5. COUNT ALBERIC II5 OF DAMMARTIN (Alberic I de DAMMARTIN4, Hugues II3, Hugues I2, Manasses1), son of (4) Count Alberic I4 and (AJS-5) Clemence (of BAR-LE-DUC) (OF CLERMONT), was born about 1148, and died on 19 Sept. 1200 in London[1]. He married before 1180, (KQ-5) MATILDA OF CLERMONT, daughter of (KQ-4) Renaud II and (AJS-5) Clemence (of BAR-LE-DUC) OF CLERMONT, who was born between 1140 and 1160[1], and died after 1200[1]. [2, 6, 5]
There is much discussion and disagreement about this line. Dammartin ancestry very uncertain, and uncertain whether Alberic is I or II. The best discussion, with evidences, in Gen. Mag. XV 53-63, XXI 94.[3]
Turton shows Clemence as marrying both Renaud II of Clermont and Alberic II of Dammartin.
However, Weis shows her as marrying Lancelin I of Dammartin (no issue), Renaud II of Clermont, and Thubaut III of Nanteuil-le-Handouin, so the marriage to Alberic is probably incorrect.
Children:
+AAA-2i.JULIANE2 DE DAMMARTIN, b. about 1165; m. (SD-7) HUGHES V DE GOURNAY, b. about 1163, d. in 1215, son of (SD-5) Hugh IV and (LW-6) Melesinde (de COUCY) DE GOURNAY.
+AAA-3ii.AGNES DE DAMMARTIN, b. about 1166 in Buckinghamshire, England; m. (PS-3) WILLIAM DE FIENNES, b. in Buckinghamshire about 1160, d. in 1240/1, son of (PS-2) Ingelram and (GJ-13) Sibyl (de BOULOGNE) DE FIENNES.
+AAA-4iii.SIMON DE DAMMARTIN of Barcelona, Spain, b. about 1180; d. in 1239 in Castile, Spain; m. about 1212 in Aumale, Seine-Maritime, France (ACY-18) COUNTESS MARIE OF PONTHIEU of Aumale, b. about 1186, d. in Spain in 1251, daughter of (ACY-17) William (Guillaume) III and (W-38) Alix (of FRANCE), Countess of Vexin PONTHIEU.


1. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999).
2. Ibid., (144-26+, 152-26).
3. Ibid., (144-27).
4. W. H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1928), 13.
5. Ibid., 4, 13.
6. Ancestral File, CD-ROM database (Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1998).